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  • Paul Zohav M.Ed.•...

    Self talk as acess to freedom

    Prior to reaction and choice of action is awareness of Self talk  Borrowing from Albert Ellis's Rational Emotive Therapy (RET) A: Antecedent event  - something happens. B: Self talk: What you make it mean, what you tell yourself....
    psychology
    self improvement
    cognitive behavioral therapy
    relationship advice
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  • Robbie Carlton avatar

    On the plethora of Therapeutic modalities.

    There's a genre of book that's the therapy modality book. They're all the same. They go

    I was a therapist and what I was doing wasn't working, and then I discovered <specific technique the book is advocating> and then it cured me and all my clients and now things are great and we just need to teach everybody this technique.

    So many therapy books are like this. Focussing, the IFS book, the EFT book, to name a few. The various ACT books. Waking the Tiger.

    And the specific technique is different from book to book. Radically different. And even contradictory.

    So what's going on here? Apart from probably there's some book somewhere about how to write a therapy book, or some ghostwriter that's cranking these out?

    If we take these stories as more or less true, how do we make sense of these seeming contradictions?

    This is not a rhetorical question! I'm going to give you my best guess below, but please take a moment to think of your answer, and ideally post it in the comments for everyone to see. I am very much interested in other answers here.

    Ok, my best guess (at least, the guess that I find most interesting):

    What works is having a therapist who believes they are helping. It's like the placebo effect. If the doctor handing you a sugar pill is like "Yeah, idk, people told me this is helpful. lmk what you think", my guess is, you're not going to get much placebo effect out of that pill (actually they've done research and you do still get some but not as much iirc).

    So when the therapist is out of school, they're doing what they were told works, but for a certain kind of mind, that doesn't give them confidence. So then they have to go on a big heroes journey, and come back with some technique, some approach, that for whatever reason they believe in.

    Now they're back, and they believe it works, and low and behold, it does!

    It's like Dumbo's magic feather.

    "some technique, some approach, that for whatever reason they believe in."

    So why do they believe in the technique they chose? Because they love to do it. Because, when they're doing it, they feel most like themselves, and they feel most connected with the person they're working with. Or they feel most connected with what they consider important, about a mind, about a heart, about a life.

    And maybe this gives it some extra sauce too. Maybe this love of themselves, this intrinsic interest, radiates out, and reminds their clients that they too can love themselves, love life, be enthusiastic, and intrinsically interested.

    Or maybe that last part is just what I have come to believe works ;)

     

    Robbie Carlton•...
    Hah! I hadn't read this before our conversation on Wednesday and this feels weirdly related to a lot of what we talked about. 1. Therapy's effect is mostly based the therapist's passion and belief that they're helping 2. The effect of specific techniques is mostly placebo....
    psychology
    sociology
    cognitive behavioral therapy
    therapy
    clinical trials
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  • Robbie Carlton avatar

    On the plethora of Therapeutic modalities.

    There's a genre of book that's the therapy modality book. They're all the same. They go

    I was a therapist and what I was doing wasn't working, and then I discovered <specific technique the book is advocating> and then it cured me and all my clients and now things are great and we just need to teach everybody this technique.

    So many therapy books are like this. Focussing, the IFS book, the EFT book, to name a few. The various ACT books. Waking the Tiger.

    And the specific technique is different from book to book. Radically different. And even contradictory.

    So what's going on here? Apart from probably there's some book somewhere about how to write a therapy book, or some ghostwriter that's cranking these out?

    If we take these stories as more or less true, how do we make sense of these seeming contradictions?

    This is not a rhetorical question! I'm going to give you my best guess below, but please take a moment to think of your answer, and ideally post it in the comments for everyone to see. I am very much interested in other answers here.

    Ok, my best guess (at least, the guess that I find most interesting):

    What works is having a therapist who believes they are helping. It's like the placebo effect. If the doctor handing you a sugar pill is like "Yeah, idk, people told me this is helpful. lmk what you think", my guess is, you're not going to get much placebo effect out of that pill (actually they've done research and you do still get some but not as much iirc).

    So when the therapist is out of school, they're doing what they were told works, but for a certain kind of mind, that doesn't give them confidence. So then they have to go on a big heroes journey, and come back with some technique, some approach, that for whatever reason they believe in.

    Now they're back, and they believe it works, and low and behold, it does!

    It's like Dumbo's magic feather.

    "some technique, some approach, that for whatever reason they believe in."

    So why do they believe in the technique they chose? Because they love to do it. Because, when they're doing it, they feel most like themselves, and they feel most connected with the person they're working with. Or they feel most connected with what they consider important, about a mind, about a heart, about a life.

    And maybe this gives it some extra sauce too. Maybe this love of themselves, this intrinsic interest, radiates out, and reminds their clients that they too can love themselves, love life, be enthusiastic, and intrinsically interested.

    Or maybe that last part is just what I have come to believe works ;)

     

    sness•...
    This is an interesting idea. It seems like what you're saying is that Therapy's effect is mostly based the therapist's passion and belief that they're helping The effect of specific techniques is mostly placebo....
    psychotherapy
    cognitive behavioral therapy
    placebo effect
    social isolation
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  • annabeth avatar

    Can we handle the truth? If UpTrust works the way it’s intended, it will make truth more accessible. But what percentage of the population currently has the capacity to face truth?

    Perhaps alongside truth, the tech will make the skills for being with the truth more accessible too. And avoidance will come in for the assist when needed?

    annabeth•...
    In therapy I’m working with a modality called Coherence Therapy that’s a lot like the Identity stuff we learned in the coaching course. The theory is that if I have something recurring in my life that I think I don’t want, I have an unconscious belief that forces the thing I...
    personal development
    psychology
    cognitive behavioral therapy
    philosophy of mind
    therapy and counseling
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  • jordan avatar

    From the perspective of projection, what's Trump symbolize in you? Is it something in you that you haven’t loved yet?
    Is it something in you that you haven’t boundaried appropriately?
    What else?

    Sometimes to do this kind of thought experiment i interpret my waking life as if it were a dream. When I look at how I view trump, what does he symbolize? And then I can ask how i relate to that to find out how I’m relating to that thing.

    I will come back and do this self analysis in a moment.

    xander•...

    My tendency to give into internal veiled threats and listen to the loudest voice, rather than the wisest.

    personal development
    psychology
    mental health
    self help
    cognitive behavioral therapy
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